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Five Personalities 9 years 1 month ago #1142

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Dharma and Adharma both are expansion of Awareness, it is a scale of levels. Adhamra is at the level of body, mind and Dharma at intelligence and awareness. Sticking on to Dharma, we get closer to Awareness, which automatically leads to the original state - Consciousness.

Krishna cunningly avoided Balaram! what to do when we have people who stick on to rules without looking at the wholistic picture. This weakness people like Duryodhan will use to bend rules to their favor. krishna wanted then to bend rules to move to the other side, for which Balarama would be a hindrance.

Like keep discussing
Discussions are to uplift from the body mind level to the Awareness levels. All our Acharyas did debates to clarify the doubts and mirror out all the hiding blind spots of the Ego.

Truth (Reality)
Consciousness is not Energy
Consciousness is complete .
Energy changes because it feels in-complete.

Consciousness is......
when "I"ness comes, Consciousness becomes Energy. Energy undergoes evolution till the "I"ness dissolves to original Consciousness.

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Five Personalities 9 years 1 month ago #1143

It seems Sakthi wants to be in this virtuous cycle ha ha ha :lol:

Are you saying that Vidur was favoring intelligence (Dharma)????

Yes you are correct

1. Consciousness is
2. Consciousness is complete

So if the above case is true. In our cell analogy what kind of duty is cell trying to perform to body (Consciousness). Is it not obvious the cell is ignorant about the body that it is already complete and it doesn't need any.

I'm not taking Krishna and Balaram into picture as it is clear the discussion is intelligence level, so it can be justified. Even in math with logic it can be proved 1=2or3or...

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Sakthi wants everyone to be Out of this virtuous cycle. For that several ways to do karma with correct attitude to give up identifications.

In our cell analogy what kind of duty is cell trying to perform to body (Consciousness). Is it not obvious the cell is ignorant about the body that it is already complete and it doesn't need any.

That is an intellectual understanding that it is already complete. Only when the cell has no desires of being just a cell (in your dictionary "needs") , then it is complete like a body. But it has to be in action not an intellectual understanding. Through action it has to do actions without any individualistic thoughts. This krishna says as "Nish-kaama karma".

It is easy to visualize that Nish-kaama intellectually...but the reality is understood only when a person puts into practice. This is the Tamas to be be overcome at the Awareness level. Like the multiple fingers in every finger, there is Tamas even in awareness levels also.

Maya levels are at various levels, like a game, every time we finish a level, there comes another trick.

To get out of all this is to do all actions without likes and dislikes and feel no individuality (cell-fishness) but only whole (body)ness.

You are very correct, Acharyas says that Advaitins easily get caught in intellectual understanding and debates and feels that they have got "it". One has to
get out of the intellectual thinking attitude and put in action level. "Inaction" in action.

You have beautifully made it clear in the Maya thread that the "Actor and audience" non-duality is final, but should not be an intellectual thought, but should be in that state. For that, the actor should perform in the stage to be in that state. There are Moksha.....

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Are you saying that Vidur was favoring intelligence (Dharma)????

Vidhura was holding on to Dharma, and in that moments he slips without anyy effort to Consciousness mahatma state. When one holds on to Dharma, all individuality vanishes. A terrorist soldier and a dharmic soldier both will both lose individuality while dying in the war....but only one who does the war Dharmically free's himself.

The other one comes back with SAL Energy to enjoy the fruits of sacrifice. This is the what is called as walking on a Rzaor's edge.

Through our actions, we can sacrifice and generate more SAL Energy and spend it or without the "Doer-ship" attitude free ourself without generating SAL Energy. If attitude does not generate (transform) SAL energy , then it is Consciousness (unconditional).

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Five Personalities 9 years 1 month ago #1146

@Sakthi

Still Sakthi has WANTS :cheer:

An instance comes to thought from Lord Buddha's life

A disciple goes to Lord Buddha and says "I WANT HAPPINESS"
Buddha replied take the "I" and "WANT" and see what is left.

Like this with Sakthi's statement "Sakthi wants everyone to be Out of this virtuous cycle"


If "SAKTHI" AND "WANTS" gets removed then "EVERYONE TO BE OUT OF THIS VIRTUOUS CYCLE" can be got :woohoo:

This is what has happened in all the acharya's life like Vyas, Suka, Sankara, Manika vasagar, Tukaram etc they were trying to get everybody out of this Virtuous cycle, but the first to get out of this cycle was themselves. :silly:

Yes you are absolutely right, intellectual thinking will keep coming on and lead to justifying others as Thamasic, satvic or rajasic, but when jumped into awareness, these justifications vanishes. For example an intellectual person will justify Lord Vishnu, Lord Brahma, Lord Shiva, Ramana Maharishi, and various other maharishi's are thamsic persolanity because they look like they don't do any physical/external activities. With these personalities the actions are happening internal more than external.

These tamasic, saatvic and rajasic are more of an inward action in awareness state. But they are external actions in intellectual state.

Exactly the actor performing without audience is the state of moksha.

If an individual is trying to loose the individuality for the sake of coming back and enjoy the SAL energy accumulated shows that he/she is still at intellectual level, it is not good or bad, they do it because their NEED is still not fulfilled. The action performed to enjoy the SAL energy deposit is a result (desire) oriented action.

And your last point is right on target, the action which doesn't transform the energy is conscious action.

When conscious action happens it is wonderful to see all the SAL energy accumulated in intellect level starts going back to where it got transformed from. This appears like all the SAL energy is reducing (at intellect state), but what happening is the SAL energy starts merging with the source. This is like Nuclear Fission process. This keeps happening until the periodic table is blank (Not even a single element including the quarks or recently found god particle).

This can be witnessed in a laboratory examination when water in the state of liquid is kept in a space and start creating vacuum in that space, the water starts boiling and starts going back to gaseous state without increasing the temperature, when the ideal vacuum is achieved then the water (gaseous state) and the container will also not exist. But at intellect state, we think the water cannot become gas until the temperature is increased. But the simple process of start creating vacuum (removing of matter).

Container which hold the water can be compared to BODY
Water can be compared to Mind
The temperature of the water can be compared to INTELLIGENCE
Creating vacuum can be compared to AWARENESS
The space where the experiment is conducted can be compared to CONSCIOUSNESS.

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they were trying to get everybody out of this Virtuous cycle, but the first to get out of this cycle was themselves.
For them "they are everybody", by getting everybody , they were getting themselves out of the cycle. If they were working for themselves then it is need. If they were working for everybody, it is duty.

With these personalities the actions are happening internal more than external.
Again a misunderstanding here.... I have seen this attitude from any spiritual sadhakas....an excuse to to remain in their mind level to avoid work....A teacher once said.... these is Pseudo-Advaitism.

A person like Ramanana Maharishi has left at the age of 10 taking "externally" from the society.....so he need not work externally. whereas people like us still are taking every thing from society and so we have to give it back to society.

Still he is a Mahatma contributing to society through Internally. As you know without doing Karma of paying back....Consciousness is only a intellectual understanding, like a student learns computer theory. Unless he does the practical work, the theory he learnt is only an intellectual understanding.

The very purpose of having a body is for this understanding in action. That is why still we are all holding to this body. A common person is keeping the body for himself and a Jnani is keeping the body to serve others.

Now please read the first sentence of this reply. By working for others, only we will experience, there there is one person and not many. All the "others" are only cells in one Cosmic body. So by working and saving others, we are only working for ourselves to save ourself. without working and intellectually, we save ourself intellectually.

This is why in Un5 we are dividing the One Consciousness into five for crystal-clear clarity (no transparancy for Ego to escape.

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