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Dream state and Wake state 8 years 10 months ago #1237

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The experiences we have in dream state are exactly same as the experiences we have in wake state though there are no actual people or snakes or physical things in the dream.

So we don't need to have physical objects to have emotional experiences.Are dreams something to do with Mind or our past impressions on our Mind?

What exactly happens in dream state? Some people also get dreams which actually happen...Please clarify whether dream state is equal to wake state?

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Dream state and Wake state 8 years 10 months ago #1241

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The ancient Rishis did a lot of work on dreams, waking state and reality.

In dream state or our waking state, both feels to be real, because the mind projects it both with experiences. It is the experience we often call as real. Anything without an experience, we can unreal....which is not true....

The Rishi's found that there is a state which is really "real" than these states, because, it is not in the mind projected state, which they call as Awareness. The ultimate reality is Consciousness and awareness is close to that.

The mind states are far from the Consciousness reality. However we cannot ignore the mind because it is a state that we are most of the time using, like the moon's full moon and no-moon states. We alter between sleep and waking states. In both we feel reality, because of the experience given by the mind.

Since mind is common in both the states, one can get and use information in the dream state to the waking state and vice versa. We see that our waking states information is reflected in the dream state and also the dream state information in the waking state.

When we see information of the waking state in the sleep state, we call it as dream.

When we see information of the dreams in the waking state, we call it as fore-telling.

This is because, mind is common in both. But if we dont know how to use the information, we get confused and do not know which is going to be true. So there is a way to interpret dreams and make use of the information for the waking state.

This is similar to "saguna" in the waking state. Infact everything is reflecting everything all the times. But only we take a glimpse of what we needed for a particular moment.

When Saguna is not taken in the right way, then it turns out to be superstition. Infact Saguna is

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Dream state and Wake state 8 years 10 months ago #1243

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@Sakthi

Okay.Thank you.

Is there something more you would like to add at the end? The sentence seems incomplete...

What exactly happens in these two states Wake state and dream state which are both unreal? How are they formed?

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Dream state and Wake state 8 years 10 months ago #1255

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What exactly happens in these two states Wake state and dream state which are both unreal? How are they formed?
Hope you understand the difference between real and unreal, with respect to its existence .

Both the wake state and dream state are un-real from one's stand point of view. This means that in dream, the waking is unreal and in waking state, dream is unreal.

Both are unreal from the awareness point of view, because both are mere projections of the mind. Reality is Consciousness.

But first understand clearly what is real and unreal. Unreal does not mean, it does not exist. Unreal means , something exists, but we interpret it with something that is constantly changing.

Example, a tree moves for a person in a moving train. The tree is real, but the moving tree is unreal, because it is perceived from the vision of a person in a moving train. But tree does not move from the view of a stationary person.

Same way, the mind is a moving aspect and so from the mind's point of view, dreams and waking states are real. From the awareness (stationary viewer) view is unreal.

How are they formed: They are formed by the mind. If you can declutch from your mind and view from your awareness, the reality of this world can be seen.

Let me know if this needs more clarification.

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Dream state and Wake state 8 years 10 months ago #1257

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Same way, the mind is a moving aspect and so from the mind's point of view, dreams and waking states are unreal. From the awareness (stationary viewer) view is real?
It is the other way right?

From my understanding,The dream and wake state are unreal i.e. something exists but they are not the Truth.

If we are aware of this then we can see the Truth.. So from Awareness view the dream and wake states are unreal right? Please clarify.

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Thanks and I corrected it.

The dream and wake state are unreal i.e. something exists but they are not the Truth. This means it is only a perception of the senses.

If we are aware of this then we can see the Truth. So from Awareness view the dream and wake states are unreal right? It is not an intellectual understanding to be experienced. From the Awareness, all the states can be witnessed as perceptions.

Even Modern science supports this thought, but in modern science there is only intellectual understanding and no method for experiencing this reality.

Spirituality gives the ways to experience the highest scientific intellectual understanding.

In Consciousness these manifestations do not occur.

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